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But isn't the result the same?

I can't help think that we started without governments and ended up with them. In fact it seems like governments beat every other known alternative power structure.

In other words even if we removed all nation states and started from scratch we would most likely end up with some sort of government.

The reasons for this are manifold, but especially the democratic state have some inherent perceptual integrity since it allows for "resetting".

But of course as always these are not objective metrics at all. But the problem with libertarians isn't their view but rather the idea it itself.

We started in many ways in a libertarian world. Evolution took us to the states and technology will maybe take us through the state and to something completely different but carried on from the current system.



You're arguing against anarchism, not libertarianism.


Not really. I am arguing against the idea of non-governments.


What does that have to do with libertarianism? Most libertarians want a government.


My experience is the opposite.




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